Tuesday, September 29, 2009

100 Items to Disappear First


This list went around the family and started some interesting discussions - see below the list for family insights and commentary.

100 Items to Disappear First


1. Generators (Good ones cost dearly. Gas storage, risky. Noisy...target of thieves; maintenance etc.)  
B at best.  Possibly a C.  Reason:  the reason for such a list presupposes a catastrophe, where gasoline likely isn't available after a few days. A couple of single solar panels along with deep cycle marine batteries (or in a pinch, automotive batteries) and an invertor will be more usefull in the long run than any generator. Good solar cells can last for decades. They may not power your whole house, but they can keep some essentials powered up depending on your available sunlight.
2. Water Filters/Purifiers  
A  Equally important is to know how to clean and resuse them, if applicable, and how get water/purify water with what you have available. Also, ample water storage can make the transition to purifying water far less perilous.
3. Portable Toilets  
A
4. Seasoned Firewood. Wood takes about 6 - 12 months to become dried, for home uses.  
A  
5. Lamp Oil, Wicks, Lamps (First Choice: Buy CLEAR oil. If scarce, stockpile ANY!)  
I'll add that preference should go toward clear, *unscented* oil. The less extra stuff in your oil, the less soot, and the cleaner your flame.
6. Coleman Fuel. Impossible to stockpile too much.  
This presumes you have a place and way to store large qualtities of fuel safetly.
7. Guns, Ammunition, Pepper Spray, Knives, Clubs, Bats & Slingshots.  
B  Better idea:  store more and have it available for your neighbors, who must first agree to defend you and your home, with its food supply.  Let your neighbor use HIS gun to fend off marauders.  This presupposes that your neighbor is willing to deal fairly if you allow the deal to be made from negotiation positions of vastly different power. To have more stored resources is always good. That said, there is a reason Christ bade his disciples to obtain a sword (Luke 22:33). I think he knew that in a lawless place, if you are unable to protect your life, the lives of your family, and the resources those lives depend on, you are only one wrong encounter with from being deprived of all of the above. Slingshots may help you eat an extra squirrel from time to time. Knives are one of humanities most basic tools, know how to use one safely, and have the right knives for your needs. However you may feel about  guns personally, unless you care to master the bow and arrow (a largely inferior hunting and war weapon 200 years ago, let alone now) a firearm can be the difference between losing everything you have including your life, and not losing it all. A weapon as unassuming as a simple .22 rifle can also be the difference between eating and hunger. However, just like a car, or any other dangerous piece of technology, they require learning and practice. Without education and skills, any weapon is just as likely to be a liability as it is to save you.
8. Hand-can openers, & hand egg beaters, whisks.  
If you do not already have at least a hand can opener and hand wisk, you should stop and take a serious look at your life and try to see how many ways you are dependent on electricty or other conveniences.
9. Honey/Syrups/white, brown sugar  
A+ Honey above all the others listed. It will not go bad, and can be adapted in many recipes that require other kinds of sugar.
10. Rice - Beans - Wheat  
A+ If you haven't made use of the local cannery, don't put it off any longer. These staples may be boring by themselves, but starvation makes even boiled rice start to seem pretty good.
11. Vegetable Oil (for cooking) Without it food burns/must be boiled etc.,)  
In addition to having a good supply of cooking oil (and remember to keep enough EVOO on hand for blessings) animal fats from cooking can often be saved if the meat is cooked in such a way that the oil can be cleanly poured off. This can be used in place of butter in many recipes, with bacon fat giving a smoky flavor, and beef tallow or lard having a less noticeable taste. The colder you can keep it, the longer it will last. If you cannot keep it cool at all it wont last too long, but one meat dish a week can generate just enough animal fat to help with cooking for the rest of the week.
12. Charcoal, Lighter Fluid (Will become scarce suddenly)  
B+ A supply of real lump charcoal may be worth having, but your typical briquettes are really only usefull if that is all you can get. Keep in mind the smoke from charcoal briquettes is quite high in CO, so burning it indoors to heat the house is a big no no.
13. Water Containers (Urgent Item to obtain..) Any size. Small: HARD CLEAR PLASTIC ONLY - note - food grade if for drinking.  
A, but this item needs much more information  If you've ever thrown away a 2 liter soda bottle, thats a bottle that could have stored two liters of water for you. I've heard some anti plastic zealots say that water stored in these bottles goes bad quickly, but the facts do not back that up. These bottles stand up to a highly corrosive carbolic acid solution for months or sometimes years without self destructing. Water being stored in them is not going to magically make them release a hoard of toxic waste. Most households that drink any soda at all, could make a large dent in thier water storage simply by storing chemically purified water in them, and keepting the bottles in a safe cool area. Please note, your Brita/Pur filter is NOT putting out pure water, it is in fact putting out water that is *worse* for water storage. Water storage does not have to be rocket science, but it is a case of better safe than sorry.
 14. Mini Heater head (Propane) (Without this item, propane won't heat a room.)  A, but how much propane would one have to have to heat a room all winter, even in NorCal? Unless the other option is freezing, your propane tanks may have better uses than heating. Even cooking is a better use, as no ammount of blankets will let you boil water.
15. Grain Grinder (Non-electric)  
More specifically, a grinder you have tested, and then cooked with the resulting flour. Also, spare parts for the grinder, and a solid place to mount the grinder. If you have the time, and the arms for it, buying wheat and making the grinding of your own flour part of your every day life would be a large step in preparation for troubled times.
16. Propane Cylinders (Urgent: Definite shortages will occur.  
B  If shortages of cylinders occurs, we won't be able to get propane either. These may be quite valueable for that short term survival especially in cold areas, but in the long term they are just airtight sheet metal.
17. Survival Guide Book.  
Correction, books. No one book has everything you need in it. The more sources of information you have at your disposal, the better.
18. Mantles: Aladdin, Coleman, etc. (Without this item, longer-term lighting is difficult.)  
A  But entire lantern sets with spare mantles is what the author undoubtedly meant. 
19. Baby Supplies: Diapers/formula. ointments/aspirin, etc.  
A (if you have a baby)  The ointments, powders, oil, etc can be useful for non infants too. 
20. Washboards, Mop Bucket w/wringer (for Laundry)  
Knowing how to make a glycerine from lye (it isnt as hard as you might think, if you have wood to burn) and those animal fats that might otherwise be wasted can make washing day much easier.
21. Cookstoves (Propane, Coleman & Kerosene)  
A But store lots of fuel.  Better yet, use a solar oven on sunny days, even in winter, saving fuel for rainy and cloudy days. 
22. Vitamins  
A (but like food, must be rotated and fresh) The good news is that most vitamins have several years on thier experiation, so as long as you buy a new one when you open the next bottle, staying several years ahead with vitamins is not hard, and is far better than the various maladies resulting from vitamin deficiencies and malnutrtion.
23. Propane Cylinder Handle-Holder (Urgent: Small canister use is dangerous without this item)  
A  if you're planning to use small canisters of propane. I would hardly call this item urgent. Its handy, but the discipline to turn off the flame when not in use is better for both safety, and your finite fuel supply. Make sure you have a spark striker for lighting it.
24. Feminine Hygiene/Haircare/Skin products.  
Tampons and pads also have a role in first aid, so it is hard to have too many of these.
25. Thermal underwear (Tops & Bottoms)  
Unless you live somewhere so hot that keeping cool to live will be the primary concern, each member of the family should have at a minimum enough long underwear to change them daily. Even without good laundry facilities, changing underwear daily helps keep up hygeine.
26. Bow saws, axes and hatchets, Wedges (also, honing oil)  
A+ The sharpenning you do to axes, hatchets and bow saws can be accomplished with other oils, if need be. Or without oil at all. Only fine edges on sharp knives really require oil on the stone, rough sharps can be done with water and a file if you need to.
27. Aluminum Foil Reg. & Heavy Duty (Great Cooking and Barter Item)  
A- (but this item stores for very long periods of time) Aluminum  foil can also be highly useful if you need to repair your solar oven or reflectors, and certainly makes any improvised cooking much easier.
28. Gasoline Containers (Plastic & Metal) 
B  Didn't the scenario rule out availability of gasoline? 
29. Garbage Bags (Impossible To Have Too Many).  
So many uses for them, it is truly a good item to have in abundance. In addition, clear plastic sheeting also has many many uses that cannot really be improvised around.
30. Toilet Paper, Kleenex, Paper Towels  
A, especially for the TP Cant say enough good things about having stored TP. It doesnt go bad, can be stored in places that you cant store food. After a disaster toilet paper may well be worth more than gold, and having a clean way to wipe may become a top luxury pretty quickly.
31. Milk - Powdered & Condensed (Shake Liquid every 3 to 4 months)  
Powdered will last longer, and is available at the church canneries for very good prices. 
32. Garden Seeds (Non-Hybrid) (A MUST)  
A++ If at all possible, begin doing basic gardenning now. Don't wait till the sky is falling to learn the things that will trip you up in your garden.A raised bed square foot garden is a fairly easy way to start, if you have a place to set that up.
33. Clothes pins/line/hangers (A MUST)  
A  You should have lots of rope, especially thin rope/line for hanging clothes 
34. Coleman's Pump Repair Kit  
A (if you have Coleman items to repair) 
35. Tuna Fish (in oil)  
A, but you should stock other meats also, and rotate them religiously
36. Fire Extinguishers (or..large box of Baking Soda in every room)  
B  Good item, but doesn't belong in this list.  
37. First aid kits  
And the skills to use them! If your skillset begins and ends with neosporin and a bandaid, you need to at least do some serious reading on the subject, and better yet take a class or two.
38. Batteries (all sizes...buy furthest-out for Expiration Dates)  
B  Batteries will last only a short time.  Sure, have some on hand, but have a plan for doing without the items they power, because the batteries will go bad over time.  In fact, you should never again purchase battery-powered flashlights; always buy wind-up flashlightsThis is an area that your solar panel setup can help a lot. Good quality rechargeables can make small electric devices available at least some of the time.
39. Garlic, spices & vinegar, baking supplies  A  This and all other food supply items get an A. Make sure the spices you like, you have seeds for if they can be grown in your area. Learn the basics of making vinegar.
40. Big Dogs (and plenty of dog food)  
F
41. Flour, yeast & salt  
A++ Flour is better if it is still in its "wheat" form. Grain stores far longer than flour. Learn how to make volunteer bread from wild yeast. You cannot store enough salt. That doesnt mean you shouldnt try, but salt has so many uses in a long term disaster scenario that you'll eventually wish you had stored more regardless of how much you have. That said, the more FOOD (water softener salt should checked for additiives before considering ingestion) salt you have, the better.
42. Matches. {"Strike Anywhere" preferred.) Boxed, wooden matches will go first  
A++ These are getting harder and harder to find. Get a supply, and strongly consider coating them with wax to waterproof them.
43. Writing paper/pads/pencils, solar calculators  
A
44. Insulated ice chests (good for keeping items from freezing in Wintertime.)  
B or B- Ice chests with good sealing lids also keep animals out of your food if you find you need to keep some food outside for in cold weather.
45. Workboots, belts, Levis & durable shirts  
A  These items have to be items you're presently using; old clothes might not even fit you! Even simple steps like having two pairs of shoes, two pairs of boots, and an extra set of heavy work gloves can be a big step in the right direction.
46. Flashlights/LIGHTSTICKS & torches, "No. 76 Dietz" Lanterns  
A if it's wind-up flashlights.  Lightsticks get a C- in my book.  Their life is too short and their lumens too dim.  Lantern = A if you store fuel for it. Light sticks do have thier use. They have a relatively good shelf life, and can be rotated at halloween if nothing else. They also allow for light in places/situations where winding isnt feasible, and a fire based light is too dangerous. However, they are not something that is needed in big supply.
47. Journals, Diaries & Scrapbooks (jot down ideas, feelings, experience; Historic Times)  
A, but #43 duplicates this one.  Should be combined
I think journals are worth mentioning specifically. If you make it through the troubled times, and possibly even if you don't, your journal is a primary historical document, and can be very valueable to future generations. Journals also provide an expressive outlet that can be critical in times of prolonged stress.
48. Garbage cans Plastic (great for storage, water, transporting - if with wheels)  
A, especially if you're set up to capture rain water.  You pray for water; the Lord sends rain; you can't capture and store it; you feel like a fool. Better than simply using trash cans, get setup to collect rainwater now. The blue 55 gallon drums can often be found on the cheap, and some fairly simple work on your downspouts can make the collection mostly a no brainer.
49. Men's Hygiene: Shampoo, Toothbrush/paste, Mouthwash/floss, nail clippers, etc  
If men's hygeine is referring to shaving accoutrments, then consider one of two options. Get a good supply of replacement blades, or learn to use a straight razor. In eitehr case, learn how to keep your blades in good shape as long as possible. You can strop any razor, and keeping it in oil, or alcohol will keep it sharp longer due to less corrosion on the edge. Also, learn to use a shaving brush, as soap may be available far longer than a can of shaving cream. If mens hygiene doesn’t refer to shaving supplies (as #73 would infer) then I wonder what it means.
 50. Cast iron cookware (sturdy, efficient)  A, but do you know how to use it?  Cook a meal with your Dutch over once in a while.
51. Fishing supplies/tools  
A+ if you live near streams with fish, know how to fish, etc.
52. Mosquito coils/repellent, sprays/creams  
A.  But extra screen material for your window screens would be just as important.  
53. Duct Tape  
A or B.  I believe this item is vastly overrated.  A good ball of string and electrical tape are just as important.
54. Tarps/stakes/twine/nails/rope/spikes  
A, but depends on scenario.  If you're staying in your home, the tent might be useless, unless ornry relatives or neighbors show up to live with you. As with the backpacks below, staying put is usually better. However, if the situation demands it, you also need to be mentally and physically able to clear out and take as much of your essentials as possible.
55. Candles  
A, but don't depend on candles forever.  Use them sparingly! Very sparingly. Unless you have access to a beehive, you should assume that in any prolonged large scale disaster, whatever parafin wax you have, is all you will ever have.
56. Laundry Detergent (liquid)  
Knowing how to make your own soap from ingrediants can go a long way toward helping your laundry efforts. Bear in mind that the liquid laundry detergents is more made for washing machines, than handwashing. Don't store things without testing how they work for you.
57. Backpacks, Duffel Bags  
A or B, depending on scenario.  If you continue to live in your home, a duffel bag might not be very useful at all. If the civilis interruptus is extended, carrying things on your back will probably become a pretty normal activities. I wouldn't go overboard here, but having extra bags that work well for general cargo may well be very handy.
58. Garden tools & supplies  
A+, but this item combines with item 32 Buy quality. Never assume you'lll always be able to head over to wally world and buy another 2.99 garden trowel after the last one made of compressed cardboard is worn out.
59. Scissors, fabrics & sewing supplies  
A, but learn how to use those tools first!  Are you going to make new clothing or patch what you are wearing? It is also a good idea to have a basic idea of how to tan leather. You may not need to setup your own full tannery, but knowing how to turn that dear into a few pairs of gloves and shoes may end up being more than just a nice thing to know.
60. Canned Fruits, Veggies, Soups, stews, etc.  
A, with all the other food items
61. Bleach (plain, NOT scented: 4 to 6% sodium hypochlorite)  
A (to purify water, etc.)
62. Canning supplies, (Jars/lids/wax)  
A, if the scenario is long term and you have access to quantities of fruits and veggies. Parafin wax has other uses, so havig a good quanity of it on hand is a good idea. If you're able to grow even a little extra, being able to hold onto it may be the difference between life and death later.
63. Knives & Sharpening tools: files, stones, steel  
A Learn how to use these before you need to depend on them. A sharpening stone can ruin the edge of a blade as easily as it can improve it.
64. Bicycles....Tires/tubes/pumps/chains, etc  A++  And tools to repair it Know how to correctly repair them as well. Many injuries in the shop happen when trying to substitute force for knowledge and experience. Injuries that are minor today can be life threatening if medal supplies or care are unavailable.
65. Sleeping Bags & blankets/pillows/mats  
A++ Cant say enough good things about having enough blankets and sleeping bags to stay warm at night. 
66. Carbon Monoxide Alarm (battery powered)  
A if you're burning wood or other fuels in the house. This is nice, but in a finite battery situation, the better solution is to find ways to heat the house that allow for venting outside. A good quality professionally (or at least correctly) installed wood burning stove should fill this need in colder areas.
67. Board Games, Cards, Dice  
A or B, depending on your psychological needs.
68. d-con Rat poison, MOUSE PRUFE II, Roach Killer  
B  (If #40 tells us to get a big dog, why shouldn't #68 tell us to procure a smart cat?) 
69. Mousetraps, Ant traps & cockroach magnets  
This belongs with #68
70. Paper plates/cups/utensils (stock up, folks)  
B or C  This advice makes the disaster scenario appear either short lived or something like a picnicFor short to medium term disasters, having disposable cutlery and plates will reduce your need to use water to wash dishes. Depending on your water situation this saving may be minor or critical. With paper plates, every meal generates a little kindling for the next fire. In an outdoor short term survival situation a continuous fire is desireable, if you're staying in your home for that same time you may be better off using minimal fuel and just making your future fires easier to light.
71. Baby wipes, oils, waterless & Antibacterial soap (saves a lot of water)
  B+
72. Rain gear, rubberized boots, etc.  
A  (Belongs in the clothing list)
73. Shaving supplies (razors & creams, talc, after shave)  
A
74. Hand pumps & siphons (for water and for fuels)  
A, especially if you plan on using water barrels
75. Soy sauce, vinegar, bullions/gravy/soupbase  A  Part of the food list, which seems to be scattered throughout this entire list.  Stored food should be one item.
76. Reading glasses  
A (if you need them)  C (if you don't)
77. Chocolate/Cocoa/Tang/Punch (water enhancers)  
A  Yet another of the endless food items.
78. "Survival-in-a-Can"  
?  Is this a food or a source of heat? A portable wilderness style survival kit may be very good if travel turns out to be required, but of somewhat less use for weathering the disaster in your home.
79. Woolen clothing, scarves/ear-muffs/mittens  
A  Depends on climate where you live.  All clothing should be in one item.
80. Boy Scout Handbook, / also Leaders Catalog  
A
81. Roll-on Window Insulation Kit (MANCO)  
B or C, depending on your home. Most people will find they can benefit from extra insulation, but have your home heating and insulation audited and checked now, dont wait until trouble to consider how to use less heat to keep the house warm enough.
82. Graham crackers, saltines, pretzels, Trail mix/Jerky  
A (another food item)
83. Popcorn, Peanut Butter, Nuts  
ditto on the food
84. Socks, Underwear, T-shirts, etc. (extras)  
ditto on the clothing list It is however, important to note that if your current lifestyle depends on being able to run several loads of laundry a week, you do not have enough of whatever types of clothing you are running out of.
85. Lumber (all types)  
C or D.  If you have the feeling you might need something built, build it now!  Storing lumber is very diffiucult; it twists and bows, and takes a lot of space.  Sun and rain destroys lumber. One thing you should make sure to have in preparation, is basic supplies to repair your home should it be damaged. Lumber is part of this, but so is plastic sheeting, roofing supplies, pipe patches, adhesive window repair film. The list goes on, but knowing how to use each of them is just as critical. You don't want to be figuring out how to repair a minor leak on your roof at that point.
86. Wagons & carts (for transport to and from)  
Can't grade; too odd an item.  Does the author mean a wheelbarrow? Handcart like the pioneers used?  Bike trailer?  What will you be hauling? Whatever cart or trailer type item of human powered transport you have access to, and room to keep is worth considering. Taking advantage of the wheel makes it possible to move far greater weights, further than you can carry them on your back.
87. Cots & Inflatable mattress's  
Depends on scenarion of the disaster.  If you're at home, sleep in your bed.  Cots and air mattresses if you are driven out of your home by earthquake, hurricane, flood, other natural disaster. These items may make it easier and more comfortable to bring in friends and family who are displaced from their own homes.
88. Gloves: Work/warming/gardening, etc.  
A  clothing
89. Lantern Hangers  
A  should be with your lanterns.  Why separate hangers from lanterns? For inside the home, lantern hangers that can be installed where light is needed encourage safe use of flame based light, forcing you to carry the lantern where you need it instead of leaving multiple light sources burning. The tripod style lantern hangers are worth having, but will be more used if you're displaced from your home.
90. Screen Patches, glue, nails, screws,, nuts & bolts  
A, but why not call this one general tools and hardware to repair things around the house.  Homeowner skills useful too. Skills of all kinds are critical, in the big picture skills often trump material preparations.
91. Teas  
C  no nutritional value herb teas take up very little space and stay good for a long time. Comfort and morale items can be very helpful in keeping spirits up. Giving up is one of the reasons people fail to survive, morale is important. In cold weather herb tea is also more palatable than just drinking hot water.
92. Coffee  
F  no nutritional value 
93. Cigarettes  
F, except they can be useful to barter if they're relatively fresh
94. Wine/Liquors (for bribes, medicinal, etc,)  
C, even if used for barter, bribes, etc. Stocking up on rubbing alcohol for medicinal (and fuel) purposes costs about a tenth as much, and is far more effective. Ingesting liquor for pain management increases bleeding. 
95. Paraffin wax  
A+
96. Glue, nails, nuts, bolts, screws, etc.  
A (goes with #90)
97. Chewing gum/candies  
These may assist in morale, or be usefull if you're forced to travel overland. Depending on the duration of the disaster, candy may be a more effective bribe than #94.
98. Atomizers (for cooling/bathing)  
B  Do we mean sprayers, like we use for ironing?
99. Hats & cotton neckerchiefs  
A  Part of the clothing all should have.  Think in terms of camping clothing.
100. Goats/chickens  
A.  If a disaster scenario hits and you don't already have goats or chickens, you likely won't be able to put together the necessary runs, fences, etc. to keep these otherwise useful animals.  Chickens are far more useful than goats.  They lay eggs, can be used to keep bug populations down,  and for meat.  Goats will eat your garden and  the bark off your fruit trees, and they need annual shots, etc.  Sheep would be better for many things, but neither as useful as chickens in a suburban yard.  Just some chicken wire and posts and you're set for chickens.  Some areas are zoned against chickens, so be aware of the law before setting up a coop. Another option that is available is rabbits. They don't lay eggs, so in that respect they are no competition for chickens. They can however be used to keep your lawn short, and need very little else to eat. They also can be considered pets, making it harder for local zoning to forbid them. As you might imagine, they are prolific breeders. They also make for good eating and soft leather. A few rabbits kept as pets can be the basis of a small herd of food animals.
The original author of the list obviously padded the list with many duplicate types of items to reach the nice round number of 100. That said, there is a lot of good items to think about, and the predictions of these items disappearing from store shelves early may well be correct. Anything on the list that you do not have in good supply, that you will need should be stocked up before hand. Anything made by processes that cannot be replicated at home, should either be stockpiled, or a way to do without it should be found. You may not have to do without it, but knowing how to do so may prove important.
Many of the above items presuppose certain conditions that are not spelled out.  Most important of the many things left off the list were spiritual tools such as scriptures.  I believe the "scenario" we're worried about will go one for many years, so some of the most important emotional strengths to have are patience and resilience.
 Okay - enough from me.  If nothing else, my comments caused you to really read the list and consider each item on its own merits.  So begin today assembling things for uncertain days ahead.  KES
Something else that is often not considered in disaster preparedness is that the troubles may not come as a major event. It may come upon us gradually, without any particular event  that makes the news. Socioeconomic problems can arrive with great fanfare, or just sneak up with rising prices, inflation and increasing unemployment. Right now we in the US have an access to goods and services unparalleled in the world. In many ways we have the best opportunity to be prepared both mentally and physically of any people on the planet, and yet because of this abundance we often do neither. If you don't have the money to make large preparation steps now, it is still better to put aside even a small portion of your budget for these things. For examples of how this more gradual slide into troubled times can occur, read accounts of survivors in countries such as Argentina in the past 15 years. See to your home security now. Anything you would call the police, or animal control for, needs to be something you can handle yourself.

9/30/09
Kirt's opinions of the 100 items to disappear first- family commentaries on an original email from Logan.  Read from bottom up.
Good morning! It has been fun reading all of this. I say I am prepared, but not really. For instance, we have 3 large bundles in the trunk of my Ply that have been there now for about 10 years. Maybe I have updated them once since then. They have what passes for 72 hr kits in them- I hope.  Nothing but a blanket in the Jeep!
 Then there is another 72 hour type kit in a red wheeling suitcase that I made about 5 years ago, and it is in the garage up on a high shelf ( dad says) which is totally useless to me. I think I have at least 20$ in each of them but it could be more. I have no idea.
 I have all papers of importance in the front room desk ( the one we bought as our first piece of furniture in about 1951) and bags there to haul them out in in case we had to leave. Also an empty pull bag behind a chair. We have money saved too. No gold. Mostly quarters. Be sure and send this around to everyone you know-- not!
 We do try to keep both cars gassed up. I hope that we won’t ever have to go anywhere. It would be because of a bad earthquake, most likely.
 I do worry about the coming inflation and the devaluing of the dollar and maybe replacement of it too. I want to pay our burials ahead. It is hard for dad to make decisions. We shall see. Wow-- there was just a huge clap of thunder! It is raining and snow expected in the mountains today! Last day of Sept. We have been known to have some hefty snowstorms in Sept. so it is not unusual. Then it gets warm and nice in Oct.
 Andy's surgery is today. We pray it all goes very well.
 Go ahead and make your sign now while you can find the cardboard and paints. You know how it goes with big floods in Az. Love, Mom
ps I just got a note (skype) from Janna and she and Camilla are heading to the Nauvoo Temple this morning!! Isn’t that great? 
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 2:03 AM, Jayne Macpherson   wrote:
Did you get my contribution below. The sign idea they will put you on TV! Paul is so funny! JM

From: Paul Stout
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 11:09 AM
Subject: RE: Kirt's opinions of the 100 items to disappear first

Good idea on the sign. I was thinking of adding something about a sign, but couldn’t come up with the right wording. That was classic!
From: Jayne Macpherson
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 11:59 AM
To: Paul Stout
Subject: Re: Kirt's opinions of the 100 items to disappear first
This is hilarious!! You are always so funny Paul! You have the funniest play on words or puns you are known the world over for your puns! I sat here and read most of Logan's reply too. I haven't heard much from him in a few years so it was fun to read his writing. I think the disasters may be like Steve Pederson has been going thru with no job. We are all waiting for "the big one" but just high prices and inflation makes it worth it to have some extras around. Just for the record are they talking about having and keeping a fire going IN your house during this disaster? What ever happened to sitting on your roof with a big sign "help me" That is my plan.... so far.... Love Jayne
 From:  Paul Stout
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 10:45 AM
To: Paul Stout
Subject: RE: Kirt's opinions of the 100 items to disappear first
 Here’s my rebuttal to Logan’s non-rebuttal:
 The first 10 things to REALLY disappear:
1.      Doritos
2.      Oreos
3.      All flavors of Breyers ice cream, except for fat-free vanilla (if you’re in a panic, you want all the fat you can ingest)
4.      Cigarettes – Just to keep the fires going
5.      Alcohol – For “medicinal purposes only.”
6.      Guns (hey, guns and alcohol go together!)
7.      The National Enquirer – Shivering in your cold, dark basement, protecting your two cans of pork & beans with your shotguns (that includes protecting yourself from the big dog that you stupidly bought to protect you … who now has turned on you and wants the pork & beans), you’ll need reading material to keep your mind stimulated.
8.      Saws – Good for making sawdust (to add to recipes to increase bulk when you’re starving)
9.      A1 Sauce – just enough to make shoe-leather taste good
10.  A map and enough gas to get you to Utah, where those Mormons have been storing food like ants for years.

From: Logan Stout 
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 11:12 AM
To: Kirtland Stout

Subject: Re: Kirt's opinions of the 100 items to disappear first

Logan's take on Kirt's take on the 100 things that could disappear first.
This is not a rebuttal. In some cases my point of view may be different, in many cases I may add something I consider worth adding. I won't be grading the list entries, if only because a home with an ample supply of every item on this list would possibly or even probably have some unneeded items, but would nonetheless be better prepared for trouble than 95% of their neighbors. Not only that, but any family seeking to fulfill this list should be able to begin looking at their own lives in contrast to the list and see where to add items. My comments will appear in green for visual contrast.
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 1:01 AM, Kirtland Stout <kirtlandstout@hotmail.com> wrote:
Kirt's take on the 100 things that could disappear first.  

While I believe the list is good and fulfills a purpose, it has its flaws.  So let's begin by getting the obvious out in the open for a daylight evaluation.

The creator of the list is making a whole lot of assumptions.  Let's list a few of the most apparent: 
 1) The scenario envisioned happens all at once with little time to prepare or stock up.
I believe that the list is specifically written with the mass panic buying in mind that occurs whenever a disaster is considered imminent. Rather than being a straight up shopping list, this is a list of things to look over and make sure you already have those items on the list you will need. Specifically because those items will be the ones flying off the shelf first if the public's sense of calm is damaged. Also, the sad reality seems to be that many people will leave preparation until the threat is staring them in the face. This being the case, having an idea of what items to prioritize may prove invaluable in crisis, although it is no replacement for real preparation.
 2) People have room to store large quantities of the things listed.
 Many families will have a hard time finding the space and budget for disaster preparation. In many ways that issue is beyond the scope of any simple list. However, always keep in mind available "non-storage" space. Many items keep better when cool dark and dry, but not everything. The crawl space under a house can provide a fairly temperature stable area of storage for items that are not needed on the regular basis. The attic can be used for those items not affected by temperature variances. Even apartment dwellers often have spaces that are not convenient storage space, but is available space nonetheless.

 3) You won't be able to trust your neighbors and friends. 
 While family and friends can be your best human resources in a troubled time, your neighbors can go either way. The reason one can sometimes be weighed and measured by their choice of friends is becuase it is just that, a choice. Rarely (and by this I mean virtually never) are we able to choose to live somewhere where every single neighbor is someone we are well matched with in terms of morals, beliefs, and worldview. A neighbor with a mentality of entitlement can become hostile if they perceive you has having an "unfair" advantage due to your preparations.

4) The scenario is short lived (else why bother with the number 1 item, generators?)
While one should never assume the situation will only be temporary, you have to survive through the short term to get to the long term. This is one of the reasons for the two year supply. If you ever need the whole two years, you will probably need much more than that, but that two years will allow you to have time to get up to speed on the new reality you and your family find yourself in.

To put my own spin on it, I've given each item an A, B or C.
  A = I agree that it should be on the list
  B = Belongs on the list, but less important than items rated A or above
  C = Should be dropped from this list

#1 item missed:  a good solar oven and knowledge of how to use it.
This is so true, premade solar concentrators and the materials to make more of the same are invaluable in any utility interruption. The ability to get high temps without burning through your finite and precious wood/fuel supply has many many applications in a disaster situation from cooking to making cold nights a little easier to get through.
 
#2 item missed:  wood-burning stove and lots of wood (in areas where it can be burned - obviously not in apartment in the middle of large city.
One point about the wood burning stove. It does not have to be large. A large stove is nice and heats an area better, but a smaller one makes it possible to be do your cooking and heating with less wood. Your choice should reflect your fuel availability. 
 
Dumbest item:  #40.  If you have a large dog, fine; keep stocked in lots of dog food.  But why would one even consider purchasing a large dog under the same set of reasons for purchasing all the other items?  The large dog advice doesn't pass the logic test.
The original author's prediction may well be based on the idea that people hungry enough, and desperate enough will buy dog food rather than starve. Given the fairly stringent requirements for dog food in the US, I would tend to agree that while this is certainly not the most desirable food, it is better than nothing.

The big dogs (not so much the dogs you may have yourself, but the dogs that willl take to the streets and countryside in hunger) themselves will probably end up either being a food source, or a danger.


another note for a non-family member:
From a Sarajevo War Survivor:
Experiencing horrible things that can happen in a war - death of parents and
friends, hunger and malnutrition, endless freezing cold, fear, sniper attacks.

1. Stockpiling helps. but you never no how long trouble will last, so locate
    near renewable food sources.
2. Living near a well with a manual pump is like being in Eden.
3. After awhile, even gold can lose its luster. But there is no luxury in war
   quite like toilet paper. Its surplus value is greater than gold's.
4. If you had to go without one utility, lose electricity - it's the easiest to
   do without (unless you're in a very nice climate with no need for heat.)
5. Canned foods are awesome, especially if their contents are tasty without
    heating. One of the best things to stockpile is canned gravy - it makes a lot of
    the dry unappetizing things you find to eat in war somewhat edible. Only needs
    enough heat to "warm", not to cook. It's cheap too, especially if you buy it in
    bulk.
6. Bring some books - escapist ones like romance or mysteries become more
    valuable as the war continues. Sure, it's great to have a lot of survival
    guides, but you'll figure most of that out on your own anyway - trust me, you'll
    have a lot of time on your hands.
7. The feeling that you're human can fade pretty fast. I can't tell you how many
    people I knew who would have traded a much needed meal for just a little bit of
    toothpaste, rouge, soap or cologne. Not much point in fighting if you have to
    lose your humanity. These things are morale-builders like nothing else.
8.. Slow burning candles and matches, matches, matches

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